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How Much Does Surface Finish Change Over Time?
What actually happens when piston rings and cylinder bores break-in? Check out the new and used cylinder bore profilometer traces in this video. It is literally the "before and after" effects of what the piston rings due to the cylinder bores.
Thanks to the guys at ProMotor Engines and @DigitalMetrology for all their help with this cool project!
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Should You HONE It? Watch This BEFORE Your Next Build!
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In episode from the 2023 @EnginePerformanceExpo Lake Speed Jr and Ed Keibler talk about plasma spray (aka: SUMEbore) cylinder coatings and what you need to know before honing them. The guys dive into the main differences between standard cast iron cylinder surfaces where you’re honing to create the valleys that will hold oil, and a SUMEbore coated cylinder which is nearly mirror-like in its sur...
From Failure to Fantastic: How to FIX a Scuffed Cylinder
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From Failure to Fantastic, here's a step by step process to fix a scuffed cylinder, hone the engine block and pick up some horsepower along the way. Watch as Lake Speed Jr takes one of his Dad's old Ford NASCAR engines and brings it back to life with just a few simple changes - new pistons, rings, and hone. Then just for fun, they swap the carburetor and fuel to see how much power this 1990's e...
Over 1,000 HP... It's one of the BEST Back-to-Back tests we've done!
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Jeremy Wagler builds serious Diesel engines - from 1,000 HP street engines to all out 3,000 Horsepower competition diesel engines! So when his engines started showing increased blow-by, he started looking for answers. In this video, Jeremy and the team at Wagler Competition decided to hook up a J-Tec blow-by meter to one of their Street Fighter engines and put in on the dyno. They did a back-to...
Dyno RESULTS: More Valleys = More Vacuum!
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Motor oil is more than just a lubricant. It also functions as a "gasket" to help your piston rings seal. In a previous video we discussed an experimental hone created by Brad Lagman at QMP Racing designed to hold more oil with the aim of increasing crankcase vacuum. In this video we show you the amazing results! Working with the team at Shaver Specialties Racing Engines, a Ford Performance / To...
What's The RIGHT Cross Hatch Angle?
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In episode from the 2023 @EnginePerformanceExpo Lake Speed Jr and Ed Keibler discuss why cross hatch angle is such an important part of what Lake likes to call the “ring seal soup.” The guys delve into subjects like roughing, “extreme plateau,” and achieving the ideal cross hatch angle for optimal oil transport within the cylinder. They also show why Scooter Brothers’ favorite saying of “you ca...
AVOID the TAX MAN for your ENGINE! The LOOPHOLE for FREE Horsepower..
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AVOID the TAX MAN for your ENGINE! The LOOPHOLE for FREE Horsepower..
How To Measure Blow-By For Under $200
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How To Measure Blow-By For Under $200
THIS is the HIDDEN "Gasket" in your Engine
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THIS is the HIDDEN "Gasket" in your Engine
How To Do A Leak Down Test - Know the Health of your Pistons in just a few Minutes
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How To Do A Leak Down Test - Know the Health of your Pistons in just a few Minutes
What STOPPED These Pistons From FAILING?
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What STOPPED These Pistons From FAILING?
The Hidden Advantage of TEXTURE - NHRA Trackside Tech Talk
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The Hidden Advantage of TEXTURE - NHRA Trackside Tech Talk
Hidden Horsepower Podcast - NHRA Gatornationals Tech Talk - Engine Builder Hall of Fame
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Hidden Horsepower Podcast - NHRA Gatornationals Tech Talk - Engine Builder Hall of Fame
These Aren't Your Grandfather's Piston Rings...
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These Aren't Your Grandfather's Piston Rings...
We Built a CNC Spin Test Rig...The Outcome Was Unbelievable!
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We Built a CNC Spin Test Rig...The Outcome Was Unbelievable!
PRI Diesel Extra: Jared Alderson on Hidden Horsepower
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PRI Diesel Extra: Jared Alderson on Hidden Horsepower
Hidden Horsepower from PRI - Aaron Stanfield, Ben Strader & Bruno Massel
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Hidden Horsepower from PRI - Aaron Stanfield, Ben Strader & Bruno Massel
Hidden Horsepower from PRI - Greg Anderson, Larry Morgan & Gaige Herrera
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Hidden Horsepower from PRI - Greg Anderson, Larry Morgan & Gaige Herrera
NASCAR Legend Waddell Wilson Talks Hidden Horsepower
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NASCAR Legend Waddell Wilson Talks Hidden Horsepower
How Much Power Are New Pistons, Rings and a Hone Worth?
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How Much Power Are New Pistons, Rings and a Hone Worth?
Throttle Stop Racing w/Gary Stinnett - Hidden Horsepower Episode
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Throttle Stop Racing w/Gary Stinnett - Hidden Horsepower Episode
Forget EVERYTHING You Think You Know About HONING! These NEW Abrasives TRANSFORMED Our OLD Hone...
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Forget EVERYTHING You Think You Know About HONING! These NEW Abrasives TRANSFORMED Our OLD Hone...
The Godfather of Gapless - Joe Moriarty founder of Total Seal Piston Rings
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The Godfather of Gapless - Joe Moriarty founder of Total Seal Piston Rings
Alan Reinhart on Hidden Horsepower - LIVE from PRI 2022
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Alan Reinhart on Hidden Horsepower - LIVE from PRI 2022
Hidden Horsepower - Shane Tecklenburg
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Hidden Horsepower - Shane Tecklenburg
We Put Iron Powder In Our Motor Oil... What Happened???
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We Put Iron Powder In Our Motor Oil... What Happened???
What The Heck Happened??? Motor Oil Wear Testing
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What The Heck Happened??? Motor Oil Wear Testing
Honing Mistakes That Will RUIN Your Engine!
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Honing Mistakes That Will RUIN Your Engine!
The Technology That Wins - Matt Hartford on Winning the US Nationals
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The Technology That Wins - Matt Hartford on Winning the US Nationals
Engine Break-In Oil - Is It Science or Just Marketing?
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Engine Break-In Oil - Is It Science or Just Marketing?

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @Trev-fl1oe
    @Trev-fl1oe 26 хвилин тому

    Awesome vid lake .lake did you measure the piston roundness before and after to see if had wear on major thrust side being piston breaking in bore or is the bore wall and piston break each other in interesting thankyou.peace

  • @hotrodray6802
    @hotrodray6802 Годину тому

    🔔😎 25 yrs ago that was my job at the race engine shop. After much coercing I received the latest tech hone stones and nylon bottle brush. Results were +11 hp on our first try on spec 355 SBC circle track engine. This averaged about that on every subsequent engine. I didnt have those great micro gauges, just old tech. Really enjoyed this video information. THANK YOU 🔔😎

  • @TheGT350Garage
    @TheGT350Garage 2 години тому

    Great information. I’ve been using Goodson plateau hone brushes for nearly 20 years now and have found that the resulting smoother upper surface finish reduces the break in period substantially and improves ring seal to the extent that leak down becomes negligible almost immediately after startup. It would be interesting to see the surface detail before and after the plateau hone brush compared to your results here.

  • @JC-gw3yo
    @JC-gw3yo 3 години тому

    Lake does his usual wisdom

  • @mikebright3732
    @mikebright3732 5 годин тому

    Don't buy your gas from Sheetz if you live up north. They're fuel is low tier garbage. If you care about your high performance car or truck go to Shell

  • @RustyorBroken
    @RustyorBroken 6 годин тому

    Your video cut off at the.....

  • @CraigOverend
    @CraigOverend 6 годин тому

    I remember reading a Mercedes paper from the 80s that showed only the initial cycles caused wear, and it only took like 100 cycles for plastic deformation of those peaks to occur for the rings to fully bed.

  • @tthams73
    @tthams73 7 годин тому

    The depth of the surface finish and the seal depends on the viscosity of oil you are planning to use. Less surface depth is ideal for lower viscosity oils and vise versa.

  • @thatman4752
    @thatman4752 10 годин тому

    Do this using water for oil with motorkote added in the same ratio that project farm used when his test showed no visible damage from running this way.

  • @jackbrown7846
    @jackbrown7846 10 годин тому

    Can you please make video about Archoil friction modifier R 9100 .

  • @scottymoondogjakubin4766
    @scottymoondogjakubin4766 10 годин тому

    I was taught to seat the rings you accelerate and deaccelerate in first gear 30 to 40 x underload !

  • @DavidStrickland-np1gm
    @DavidStrickland-np1gm 12 годин тому

    m I removing some of the rpk by doing that? and is that a good thing on a bore that only has whatever surface the machine shop achieved with an old school sunnen hone? probably only a single grit hone no less.

  • @georgedreisch2662
    @georgedreisch2662 13 годин тому

    Now y’all got me wondering if a burnishing - lapping process, as a extension of the bore preparation, would result in further gains of quality of ring seal and longevity?

  • @FiteTheGoodFight
    @FiteTheGoodFight 13 годин тому

    I have an older 4stone (2 stone/2 wiper) Sunnen hone, I wonder if those diamond stones needed for this process, are available for it?

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 10 годин тому

      Forget EVERYTHING You Think You Know About HONING! These NEW Abrasives TRANSFORMED Our OLD Hone... ua-cam.com/video/L9uXFeAnsoQ/v-deo.html

  • @psychoholicslag4801
    @psychoholicslag4801 13 годин тому

    The automotive school we wanted to go to but it didn't exist, Total Seal and Lake Speed.

  • @briankalagher6687
    @briankalagher6687 14 годин тому

    I used to only think about engine oil between the crank and bearings or timing chains and cam lobes and I always missed the oil that lives in the cross hatching. Just thinking about the heat, pressures, and hostile environment that that tiny film of oil is exposed to. And that it's constantly exposed to gasoline. Crazy!

    • @jackk21
      @jackk21 12 годин тому

      I’m in the same boat. Engines will always be fascinating to me. I mean how can a 60 pound hunk of metal with other metal pieces bolted on spin more than 100 times per second. And that’s only a small block. I can’t even begin to wrap my head around that

  • @____MC____
    @____MC____ 14 годин тому

    If cylinder walls and valve guides need a little valleys for holding oil, what about rod and main journals? Im sure this was answered 80 years ago. Just another random question. Even if the valleys were less than 20 microns, would that ruin the boundary layer?

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 10 годин тому

      Journal bearings are different. The eccentricity of bearing along with rotational speed is what creates the film.

  • @cobrajeff96
    @cobrajeff96 14 годин тому

    Would that Profilometer's resolution be considered at the microscopic level or not quite?

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 10 годин тому

      Yes, it is measuring in micro inches.

  • @____MC____
    @____MC____ 15 годин тому

    How much clearance change is there from hone to break in?

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 15 годин тому

      This change is measured in .0001

  • @kevinwest3689
    @kevinwest3689 15 годин тому

    Does anyone have a cooler name than, Lake Speed ? I bet When he was a baby, his stroller had a five point harness and slicks.

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 15 годин тому

      LOL…

    • @cobrajeff96
      @cobrajeff96 14 годин тому

      Maybe the only name that could top it is Land Speed. But Lake Speed is rockin

    • @marc-oliviercabot3380
      @marc-oliviercabot3380 13 годин тому

      Rumor is he's banned from participating in any Bonneville flats events due to his name giving him an unfair advantage due to striking fear in the heart of competitors.

    • @MrTheHillfolk
      @MrTheHillfolk 6 годин тому

      I'll put in a vote for Dick Armey as 2nd coolest name then. 😁

    • @RustyorBroken
      @RustyorBroken 6 годин тому

      Imagine what growing up and getting through school was like for Richard Trickle.

  • @nesmio7378
    @nesmio7378 15 годин тому

    Certain people don't run in engines at all and send them flat out freshly rebuilt after just idling it for a couple minutes to make sure it's working, some people do extremely short run ins but heavily load the engine etc. Whilst I don't believe in either of these methods and prefer a gradually load increasing and longer run in period like you recommend the people that do the opposite don't seem to get punished for it much or at all. You hear the countless and typical stories of "I've been doing it this way since the start of humanity and never had any issues", hard to argue with that sometimes. What gives? What are the risks and drawbacks of running the engine at full tilt right away or doing an extremely short run in only? Obviously for racing series sometimes you have no choice since you want the least mileage and hours on the engine but I'm talking generally speaking and mostly for street usage. What can happen? Burnt rings? Too much wear too quickly that then gets into the oil and circulates? Bore score? Glazing? Longevity - if so why? Do you notice it right away or only many years down the line? Obviously you are going to be running the engine hard "non run-in" so that'll cause it's own issues but what happens afterwards once the hard run in has worn it in very quickly? What are the lasting damages / problems caused by that?

  • @kathysarmcandy1992
    @kathysarmcandy1992 15 годин тому

    And on to my frustration that there aren't any reputable shops near me that will do what you ask to the standards you want. Like this. They always "know more" you you do. Even if, like me you are a trade pro. I get a block back that looks like it was honed with a brick.

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 15 годин тому

      I’m sorry to hear that.

    • @FiteTheGoodFight
      @FiteTheGoodFight 13 годин тому

      They don't care, because as far as they are concerned, the way they've been doing it all this time, is time tested "good enough". Unless you're gonna pay for the diamond stones yourself, you're probably not gonna get anywhere with the regular machine shops.

  • @NITROUSnBIASPLYS
    @NITROUSnBIASPLYS 16 годин тому

    Would you bring able to do a video on piston rings and what type of rings are best for nitrous, boost, na. Also touch upon cylinder wall materials such a plasma arc wire vs a sleeved aluminum block and cast iron block 👍🏻

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 15 годин тому

      Great suggestion!

  • @yeahitskimmel
    @yeahitskimmel 16 годин тому

    Blows my mind how manly channels just start rattling off profilometer numbers without throwing their viewers your 90 sec explanation of the tool

    • @altontsinnijinnie5990
      @altontsinnijinnie5990 8 годин тому

      Maybe cuz He has spray explained the device/ both devices, in one of his prior videos.

    • @kevin_6217
      @kevin_6217 29 хвилин тому

      Manly?

  • @Lagrange1186
    @Lagrange1186 17 годин тому

    So if the rings are smoothing up the cylinder walls… how to the ring surfaces look? And would there be any benefit to using another set of rings once the cylinder walls have the perfect finish?

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 15 годин тому

      The hard coating on the rings protect them from being damaged during this process.

    • @thatman4752
      @thatman4752 10 годин тому

      My guess is the new rings would find new grooves leaving the ones from the old rings open and causing more oil to slip past. Assumjng the rings are not 100% perfect. I would assume a cylinder hone would be in order for every set of rings. Makes sense in my mind 😅

  • @isalmankhan1
    @isalmankhan1 17 годин тому

    I'm not a machinist, but your lectures are very interesting, it sparks the desire of learning this trade😍

  • @kendavis1198
    @kendavis1198 17 годин тому

    That's Very Interesting. Cool Video Lake...

  • @lorinkramer5805
    @lorinkramer5805 2 дні тому

    The additive you mentioned, to the gas or oil? An additive name?

  • @doublem6027
    @doublem6027 2 дні тому

    Which is better .. Chevron or shell?

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 15 годин тому

      They are both really good. The Shell V Power is top notch

  • @bigedmayra
    @bigedmayra 2 дні тому

    The Duke says, why don't they just put a magnet inside the oil filter to trap the small metal particles? What did I teach you?

  • @peteroleary9447
    @peteroleary9447 2 дні тому

    *Imporntant* ? Lol There's an aura of snake oil around Top Tier gasoline. The EPA regulations surrounding LAC are byzantine - undecipherable to the layperson. None of the regulations specify exactly _what_ the additives actually are, only specifying that some are certified with restrictions and some aren't. There are numerous variations in record keeping requirements, measurement ,certifications, testing, and have further variations according to different locations and time of year. This should be a matter of further investigation, given the number of new cars sold with GDI. [edit] Its been reported that 'Top Tier' status was compromised during covid supply chain disruptions. But how could this be verified?

  • @maximilianlindner
    @maximilianlindner 2 дні тому

    The BMW N57 community is very interested

  • @JayDee-bz2ge
    @JayDee-bz2ge 2 дні тому

    ya know , Mr. oil is knowledgeable enough to explain all of this on his own.... doing these type of (( visiting the pro's shop)) videos, it comes across like a infomercial.... he takes great logical and reliable info and and gives it a snake oil presentation.... Don't feel to bad, I notice the turbo diesel king of knowledge, G.B. leaning to a low karma style of badmouthing builders or manufacturers , ((by name)) ... Not sure where the idea's originating, but it's not working... now watch some SM racing engines videos.

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 2 дні тому

      I apologize if it comes across that way. I have authentic passion for these topics, so I tend to get animated. I can see how it can be perceived that way. That’s not my intention.

  • @hugieflhr03
    @hugieflhr03 2 дні тому

    It’s seems like a very tough coating and works great in a hard running engine but it seems to degrade over the years. The Ford guys pulling their engine after 10 years find chipping at the top of the cylinders.

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 2 дні тому

      That’s a problem with the block moving around too much.

  • @brucekellett2269
    @brucekellett2269 2 дні тому

    G'day Lake and also Keith. Lake I have been binge watching a lot of your informative videos. I am lucky to have an older brother who was a mechanic . He started his apprenticeship in the late 60s. He and his petrol head mates all swore by regularly changing oil and filter and yes pre loading the oil filter with fresh clean oil. I wonder who else swears by this Lake 😉 I never thought I would ever see the day when I was told by an expert to PEA in the gas tank. Your famous saying not speculation but fact with science. Best regards to you family friends and viewers all oround the globe.

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 2 дні тому

      LOL, love the humor, and thanks for watching!

  • @AlexORoark
    @AlexORoark 2 дні тому

    Have you tested the effect of a torque plates on each side of a V8 simultaneously. It seems unlikely to make a difference but worth testing.

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 2 дні тому

      They have, and they use torque plates on both sides whenever possible.

  • @MartyGinther-tk9bx
    @MartyGinther-tk9bx 2 дні тому

    Are the FR9 blocks from Roush Yates coated ?

  • @skylarscales9922
    @skylarscales9922 2 дні тому

    Valero makes the best fuels!!

  • @mrvang8077
    @mrvang8077 2 дні тому

    Cheap fuel don't run right for my suv. Even thought it's okay to use, but I do notice the difference when I use top tier fuel. My car just runs better. I stay away from arco gastation. Only two fuel station I use and that's shell and chevron. 7:50

  • @marksimmons33
    @marksimmons33 3 дні тому

    Will this work on a 5.9 cummins diesel?

  • @anthonycalabro9269
    @anthonycalabro9269 3 дні тому

    Unless I missed something I do not believe this test is valid. Unless you flushed this engine multiple times after the first test with clean oil you are going to have remnants of the iron powder and wear from the first test. THe second filter has the 5 grams of iron you added plus wear and leftover iron from the first test, invalidating the second test, scientifically.

    • @TotalSeal
      @TotalSeal 3 дні тому

      You missed the point of the oil analysis tests. They show exactly how much contamination is in the engine. Also the engine was flushed in between the tests

  • @08turboSS
    @08turboSS 3 дні тому

    But these "so called" top tier are full of other junk, detergents, additives etc.

  • @jimbaker2698
    @jimbaker2698 3 дні тому

    Awsome sauce maannn😅

  • @Martin_ros
    @Martin_ros 3 дні тому

    You guys blather on too much.Why don't you provide 'Top tier' gas brands in the first few minutes ?

  • @davidciesielski8251
    @davidciesielski8251 4 дні тому

    Never even thought about it as heat, before.

  • @KarolosAthens
    @KarolosAthens 4 дні тому

    GOETZE

  • @davidciesielski8251
    @davidciesielski8251 4 дні тому

    Thanks for the tip.

  • @tonybernheim8365
    @tonybernheim8365 4 дні тому

    You can not trust the quality of fuel at any fueling station anymore..There are 2 ways to deal with this..Always have a Mr. Funnel with you to filter water and junk particles..Then always have a concentrated Fuel Treatment..My Go To is Star Tron Fuel Enzyme 120 gallon formula..Works on Gas and Diesel.....

    • @tonybernheim8365
      @tonybernheim8365 4 дні тому

      Just another note..Fuel stations have filters" Made of internal paper fibers we all use" and metal/ Dirt debris will break through them..just like the ones in your vehicle now....

  • @KarlCurtisZeuch
    @KarlCurtisZeuch 4 дні тому

    Great video. Lake, could you please speak about ring break-in, and maybe ring material/alloy, for SumeBore sprayed cylinders?

  • @dannyturnpaugh2797
    @dannyturnpaugh2797 4 дні тому

    If my owners manual says 87 octane is recommended, but the oil companies like Shell, Mobil , Chevron, Marathon (all top tier last I looked) puts more detergents in the 93 octane fuel than the 87 octane fuel, I looked it up on there websites should I use 93 or at the least put a tankful of 93 in about every 5 or 6 fill ups ?

    • @peteroleary9447
      @peteroleary9447 2 дні тому

      That depends on your budget, what you're driving, and your typical driving habits. Most say that using higher octane than recommended is a waste of $. If you're driving a car with GDI, a little more detergent is good. If you do short trips and don't stretch out the engine once in awhile, it's more susceptible to carbon deposits. In this case, a bottle of Redline S1-1 every couple months and the good ole occasional Italian tuneup will get you a lot more bang for the buck than 93 octane.